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Hydrate salts
« on: March 15, 2017, 06:09:53 AM »
Dear all,

if the salt label says salt hydrate with the formula C10H13N2Na2O8P · xH2O, as we do not know the amount of water molecules in the salt hydrate, how can the concentration be calculated? The salt label only gives the molecular weight of the anhydrous salt.

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 06:56:03 AM »
How accurately do you need to know? Do you know what any other contaminants may be?

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 08:07:00 AM »
Iam using the salt as a standard for HPLC analysis. So i think it needs to be accurate. No other contaminants. Just the salt and water.

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 08:14:38 AM »
You will have to find the information if you intend to use this as a standard.  They haven't reported it, because it is like highly variable.  You may have to dry it, according to a published method, or assay the water content.

What is the reagent?  When a carbon compound contains more than two or three carbons, the atomic formula tells us nothing.  Give us its name please.
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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 08:22:22 AM »
Thymidine 5′-monophosphate disodium salt hydrate

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 08:50:40 AM »
And if you google that name, you'll see the assay us likely the same as SigmaAldric reports, <= 14%.  If you need more accuracy, you will have to perform a Karl Fisher titration.
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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 08:53:31 AM »
Sigma states the assay>=99%.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/t7004?lang=en&region=GB

Does this mean it is 99% anhydous Thymidine 5′-monophosphate disodium salt ?

If that is the case, that accuracy is more than enough.


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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 10:30:05 AM »
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Sigma states the assay>=99%.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/t7004?lang=en&region=GB

Does this mean it is 99% anhydrous Thymidine 5′-monophosphate disodium salt ?

If that is the case, that accuracy is more than enough.



I'm not sure, I don't think so. Did you get a Certificate of analysis ( http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/united-kingdom/technical-services/c-of-a.html ) with the bottle?

If it's HPLC is this qualitative or quantitative? What will you be comparing it to?

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 01:55:00 PM »
Hi no the bottles were already in the lab, purchased prior to me. On the sigma website it states Water (by Karl Fischer) < 20 % , Purity (HPLC) > 99 % and assay     ≥99%. HPLC quantitative.

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Re: Hydrate salts
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 08:16:53 PM »
Perhaps you're confused about how ~20% plus ~99% add up to a real percentage.

After you've accounted for the water, the rest of the sample is at 99%, is what they mean.

How you will find out how much water there is, just by asking the same question again, that ... that I can't help you with.
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