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Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« on: November 10, 2017, 06:57:57 AM »
In this simple experiment we produce 98% nitrogen by the air using the paramagnetic property of oxygen that is attracted by the magnets

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 08:20:47 AM »
I would be interested to see more of how this experiment was performed.  What type of magnets were used? how much nitrogen do you actually get? how was it captured? and how was 98% purity confirmed?

or is this something that you are planning on doing?

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 08:36:10 AM »
Photos of apparatus

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 08:44:58 AM »
In this simple experiment we produce 98% nitrogen by the air using the paramagnetic property of oxygen that is attracted by the magnets

How did you measure the output stream composition?

Judging from the image you have posted oxygen just miraculously disappears from the stream, that would mean violation of the mass conservation.
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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 08:50:57 AM »
No, the oxygen remain in the tube enter the magnets!

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2017, 09:00:29 AM »
so realistically you are talking about a very very small amount of nitrogen.  Also it would only work for a short time before the oxygen would start to come out anyway.

So are you creating an electromagnet? still not entirely sure what I am looking at from the picture.

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2017, 09:07:13 AM »

The BAC coil serves to slide the nitrogen to avoid clusters with oxygen inside the tube

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2017, 09:37:34 AM »
so how did you determine the 98% nitrogen output?

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2017, 09:53:03 AM »
Is simple:

100%air - 21% O2 = 98% N2 + 2% CO2,H2O,Argon

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2017, 10:17:57 AM »
I doubt too. Putting figures on the induction, the resulting interaction energy with the oxygen's magnetism, and comparing with the ambient temperature tells "no". Unless I miss something, of course.

But a similar setup does work commonly. It uses a porous ceramic of a high-temperature superconductor. The Meissner effect lets the superconductor interact with the oxygen molecules at very short distance. Elegant.

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2017, 10:22:04 AM »
With this system we can also produce HNO3 from air:

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2017, 10:32:14 AM »
Is simple:

100%air - 21% O2 = 98% N2 + 2% CO2,H2O,Argon

So the 98% is theoretical? Any tests to verify? it seems to me that the diameter of the tube is high compared to what I estimate to be the magnetic field, of course I could be wrong.  In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2017, 12:14:53 PM »
Is simple:

100%air - 21% O2 = 98% N2 + 2% CO2,H2O,Argon

You need a direct measurement, you can't just assume an experimental apparatus works perfectly.

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Re: Nitrogen (98%) from air simple
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2017, 12:35:31 PM »
The BAC coil serves to slide the nitrogen to avoid clusters with oxygen inside the tube

This is a word salad, it doesn't mean anything.

Sorry, but there is no way this contraption of yours is going to work the way you state it does.

I am locking the thread, this is in no way related to any real science.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2017, 01:00:20 PM »
Two systems for separate the majior elements of the air, with coils:

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