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Offline trainee

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Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« on: April 02, 2018, 10:47:28 PM »
I've always felt the "Oh, X is a sort of good leaving group so the nucleophile can attack in this environment" very unsatisfying. Is there something like a pka equivalent for LG?

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Re: Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 02:52:38 AM »
Well I dont know if there is anything like that but I think it could be possible but very difficult because there is a lot of different variables.

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Re: Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 09:23:14 AM »
I was surprised when I looked up tosylate versus bromide and iodide as leaving groups, to find out that their relative rates are very different in SN1 versus SN2 substitutions.

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Re: Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 11:50:18 AM »
No, there is not.
Only empirical rules exist, which are based on experimental data.

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Re: Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 11:55:59 AM »
As my mentor once told me, TRY IT!  In Sn2, the weaker base is usually the better LG I think.  (I.E. I- is a better LG than Cl- in DMSO)
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Re: Can strength of leaving group be quantified?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 12:15:17 PM »
Yes, but not exclusively.
Other factors, such as hard/soft basicity of the leaving group, also play an important role.
Indicatively, see a previous post:
”Advanced Organic Synthesis Problem”
http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=92617.msg329905#msg329905

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