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Offline lokifenrir96

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Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« on: September 06, 2012, 10:57:20 AM »
Hi, can someone explain why a polar molecule must fulfill the condition of having asymmetry about the central atom, and not just the condition of different atoms having different electronegativities? I mean, IF a water molecule was linear, wouldn't the O atom in the centre still have a negative dipole, and the two H atoms still have positive dipoles, so shouldn't it still be able to act as a polar solvent and do stuff like solvate ionic compounds? Thanks!

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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 11:33:42 AM »
Hi, can someone explain why a polar molecule must fulfill the condition of having asymmetry about the central atom, and not just the condition of different atoms having different electronegativities? I mean, IF a water molecule was linear, wouldn't the O atom in the centre still have a negative dipole, and the two H atoms still have positive dipoles, so shouldn't it still be able to act as a polar solvent and do stuff like solvate ionic compounds? Thanks!

If water was linear, you could consider it to be similar to carbon dioxide. Do you think that is polar?

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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 01:30:31 AM »
Exactly, no. But that doesn't answer the question

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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 04:29:08 AM »
Consider working out the dipole moment for the entire molecule, rather than individual bonds.

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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 07:50:47 AM »
Exactly, no. But that doesn't answer the question

Think vectors!

Two elephantine pulls in exactly opposite directions will yet yield a zero net force. Not so if they are angled though.  ;D

 

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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 08:13:21 AM »
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IF a water molecule was linear
Wrong assumption, water molecule is bent.
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Re: Polarity and asymmetry of molecules
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 11:57:40 AM »
Haha okay I guess the vector explanation works. Though I'd welcome any better explanations? I was just confused because to me, it seems that there is still a negative dipole in the middle, and positive dipoles at the side. But okay if considering the entire molecule.

I know the assumption was wrong. It was just hypothetical.

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