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Re: Na or NaO
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2006, 10:20:49 AM »
Reading up on polyatomic ions may be helpful also. I also have to agree with the other people about H2SO6 existing. I'm not sure at all if it exists. H2SO4 on the hand does.
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Re: Na or NaO
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2006, 05:44:40 PM »
Thanks woelen. That saved me a lot of research. So number of bonds per atom would be good to read on/research?

And, in the long run, what reactions happened and how did they?

Chemical formula for carbonic acid?
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2006, 03:20:12 AM »
H2SO6 could have been a typo, for H2SO5, peroxymonosulfuric acid, which definately does exist, had a couple of close scrapes with the stuff myself, or, H2S2O6, dithionic acid, which is stable only in solution, or as dithionite salts.
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2006, 06:34:02 PM »
Thanks for that, limpet. It definetly was not a typo but now that I know that those ARE compounds then I will rethink the reactions. However, I think I have gotten enough feedback to see that that reaction would not happen.

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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2006, 01:44:12 AM »
Thanks for that, limpet. It definetly was not a typo but now that I know that those ARE compounds then I will rethink the reactions. However, I think I have gotten enough feedback to see that that reaction would not happen.

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H2SO6 so far is a typo, but students should train a chemical nomenclature also for the future compounds.
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2006, 02:16:09 AM »
When you say NaCO3 do you mean NaHCO3?
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2006, 03:01:39 AM »
"NaCO3" was corrected a few times during this discussion, treating it as a typo we should mean Na2CO3
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2006, 10:33:30 PM »
I still think he means NaHCO3
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2006, 04:18:24 PM »
Nope. Na2CO3 is what I meant, sodium carbonate, not sodium hydrogen carbonate.
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 04:22:46 AM »
Back to the origional subject, i doubt you need the sodium or sodium peroxide for any complicated scientific use other than throwing it in some water and haveing it explode in your face. I recomend potassium, though doubt you will be able to make any for the use above. You could always just try a couple of these formulas for "wet start fire" 5 amonium nitrate/3 zinc powder/1 ammonium chloride. or parts each of a reactive metal powder (aluminium, zinc, magnesium) and iodine powder.

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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2006, 04:59:12 PM »
H2SO6 is peroxydisulfuric acid.
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2006, 07:42:32 AM »
H2SO6 is peroxydisulfuric acid.
diperoxysulfuric acid
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2006, 05:27:37 AM »
H2SO6 does not exist.

H2SO5 is Caro's acid, also called peroxysulfuric acid.

H2S2O8 is persulphuric acid, also called peroxydisulfuric acid.

Salts of both of these acids exist. The salts of H2SO5 are very unstable though and are not available commericially. The salts of H2S2O8 are very common. All three of K2S2O8, Na2S2O8 and (NH4)2S2O8 can be purchased commercially. Most electronics part stores sell at least one of these salts as a PCB etching compound, and it can be used as a cleaner alternative for ferric chloride.
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Re: Is it possible to create Na from NaCO3?
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2008, 12:17:53 AM »
i posted this earlier today under another topic but it will help you make sodium in small amounts

...just take a lithium battery remove the 1 foot long strip of lithium metal from inside it....you have to open it and becareful not to let the strip of lithium and the strip of iron sulfide touch or eles you get alot of heat and the lithium might ignite...just peal the outer casing off using needle nose pliers (sp?) after you get the lithium out just wrap some lithium around some sodium chloride and ignite it , it will flare up and strip the cl of the na and you will see this orange glow coming from underneath the now lithium oxide/chloride/nitride wrap once you see that, or when part of the wrap melts off ..just throw it or let it drip into the mineral oil... after it cools remove the black chared remains and you can then take the little bulbs of sodium and flatten them into strips and put them back into the oil....it obviously also works with k , mg ,ca, and any other metal....even cs....but i wouldnt try to get cs from cscl in this way as that would be a death wish... calcium from caocl powder makes very nice marble sized lumps of calcium and it can be used to make alloys such as NaK ..ive also made NaK this way   
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Re: Na or NaO
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 07:23:45 PM »
Chemical formula for carbonic acid?

H2CO3

Personally I think it is a bad Idea for you to extract elemental sodium from anything.  If you are truely interested in using some go to your local high school and talk to one of the chemistry teachers there.  Most would be thrilled to have a student or potential student interested in the chemistry field.  Don't be offended I think that every one is looking out for your well being :D

Best of Luck to you :)

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