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question regarding physical chemistry
« on: July 31, 2006, 11:04:12 AM »
The equation is given for both questions :
CH3COOH + C2H5OH <--> CH3CO2C2H5 + H2O

Question 1:
In an experiment to determine Kc, 1.00 mol of ethanoic acid was allowed to reach equilibrium with 1.00 mol of ethanol in the presence of 0.100mol of H+ dissolved in 1.00mol of water. It forms an homogeneous mixture. At equilibrium, it was found that 0.43 mol of ethanoic acid was present. How many moles of water are present at equilibruim ?

In this case, does it mean that the initial number of mole of water is 1.0 mol ?
Why the question gives me the number of mole of hydrogen ion ?
I'm not sure with that, can anyone tell me that ?

Question 2:
A mixture of 6.0g of ethanoic acid and 6.0g of ethanol was added to 4.4g of ethyl ethanoate and the overall mixture allowed to reach equilibrium. It was found that 0.040mol of ethanoic acid was present in the equilibrium mixture.

This is my analysis for the number of moles of the chemicals

CH3COOH
Initial number of mole (n) : 0.1
At equilibrium (eq) : 0.04

C2H5OH
n : 0.13
eq : 0.07

CH3COOC2H5
n : 0.05
eq : 0.11

H2O
n : 0
eq : 0.06

Correct me please if I'm wrong .
I want to know whether my analysis is wrong or not. Thanks
« Last Edit: July 31, 2006, 11:54:25 AM by noco »

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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 11:10:25 AM »
where are your reaction equations ?

These are problems about the formation of an ester of ethanoic acid and ethanol, where H(+) acts as a catalyst.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2006, 12:40:09 PM by sdekivit »

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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 11:25:47 AM »
Question 1 :
Yes , thank for your explanation.
I want to know the number of mole of water presents at equilibrium. Can ayone tell me and state together how you get the number

Question 2 :
I do know that is the formation of ester. But the numbers of mole which I wrote there , are them correct ?

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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 11:30:50 AM »
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For problem 1: this is a redoxreaction of an COOH, group to a primary alcohol, where H(+) is needed.

I don't think so. I think this is an esterification reaction and hydrogen ions are catalyst of this reaction. In equation of reaction:

CH3COOH + C2H5OH <=> CH3COOC2H5 + H2O

water also occurs so number of moles of water is important information ;)

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C2H5
n : 0

Do you mean C2H5 is ethanol ? But in "question 2" is written that there was 6,0g of ethanol in mixture.

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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 11:58:39 AM »
Question 1 :
I still can't see any number of mole for water .
It is my question doesn't make sense ?

Question 2 :
My mistake, thank you Neecze for enlighten me .
Correction has been done. Is there any mistake ?

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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 12:24:45 PM »
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Re: question regarding physical chemistry
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 12:38:36 PM »
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For problem 1: this is a redoxreaction of an COOH, group to a primary alcohol, where H(+) is needed.

I don't think so. I think this is an esterification reaction and hydrogen ions are catalyst of this reaction. In equation of reaction:

CH3COOH + C2H5OH <=> CH3COOC2H5 + H2O

water also occurs so number of moles of water is important information ;)


sorry, you're right. I didn't saw the ethanoic acid. I modified my post.

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