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going in circles when balancing equation
« on: April 13, 2006, 11:15:50 AM »
I need an example of such situation - unfortunately whenever I try I am just balancing, can't locate a loop. I am just too good ;)
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 02:48:15 PM »
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 02:56:57 PM »
When somebody not fluent in equation balancing starts to work on some 'complicated' case it sometimes end in a circle - "to balance A atoms I have to modify B coefficient, in turn there is not enough C atoms and I have to modify D coefficient - which makes my equation lacking A atoms which forces me to modify B coefficient" - and circle closes here.

I just have troubles constructing such example.
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2006, 03:16:23 PM »
Oh, I think I've got it! You want us to propose you such examples, don't you?

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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 03:57:52 PM »
Yes. I have approached several equations trying to make this mistake but I am too efficient in NOT making it :)
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 04:12:41 AM »
Try this one. When working with the adjustment method, as you mentioned above, this one is hard:

CH3ONa + NaClO2 + HCl --> COCl2 + NaCl + H2O

Balancing by means of linear algebra methods is easy, but balancing by hand may be quite hard for a beginner.
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2006, 04:20:32 AM »
Good one, thanks!
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2006, 02:03:09 PM »
I think I have found a better one - looks much simpler ot first sight:

P4O6 -> P4 + P2O4

but is surprisingly hard to balance by inspection.
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2006, 02:35:20 PM »
I balanced it (I don't post the reaction, I don't want to spoil it ;) ... the other members should try to balance it as well...)

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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2006, 04:38:46 PM »
I find it very easy to attempt to balance the molecules with the most amount of elements, then work down to the molecules with the least amount. That way, when you get down to balancing the last molecule, you won't disrupt any other pre-determined coefficients.

I also balanced this, took me under 30 seconds. ;D
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2006, 05:25:46 PM »
This one will probably take you longer:

P2I4 + P4 + H2O -> PH4I + H3PO4
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2006, 07:48:31 PM »
Not so hard.  I is only on the right in 1 place, so is O, then after that H is only on the right in one unknown place, then you just have to count the P's.
Kind of ugly coeffients though.

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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2006, 02:28:36 AM »
I tried for about 10 minutes, I can't figure that last one out. I can't get the ratio of H to O on the product side to be 2:1 like it is on the reactant side.

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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2006, 04:45:21 AM »
Check Jched, they love comparing methods for these types of things.
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Re: going in circles when balancing equation
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2006, 06:15:47 AM »
Many of these, although some not directly on the subject:

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