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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: .
« Last post by Borek on Today at 02:50:06 PM »
Please consult the forum rules - you agreed to them when registering, but obviously you have never read them.

Editing your post just because you don't like the answer is against the rules as well.

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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Bromination
« Last post by rolnor on Today at 02:09:49 PM »
That's true, thanx. It's possible no catalyst is required
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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Methyl anthranilate consumability?
« Last post by Hunter2 on Today at 01:51:39 PM »
Why you would to do it? For insurance purpose these kind of topics should not discussed in a chemistry forum.
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Organic Chemistry Forum / .
« Last post by roideleche on Today at 01:18:42 PM »
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Protip: It's hard to interpret data without knowing exactly what you did. The rate is a measure of what, exactly?

Beyond that, I would regard the data for the reaction with iron to be fairly meaningless, since (as Borek noted) iron is also one of your reactants. The slightly faster rate may just be because there's more of it.

Based just on your numbers, it would appear that Cu > Ag > control. Ideally your counterion would be the same to ensure that isn't changing things, but I guess too late now.  Your value with Ag is pretty close to your control. Maybe it's significant but you haven't provided any statistical analysis so hard to know. So really what I've got is that maybe Ag is catalyzing your reaction a little, and Cu probably is.

These are just numbers, though. Hard to make any mechanistic conclusions from a few measured rates alone, much less without any information about what you did, what your balanced reaction is, and etc. Catalytic mechanisms are generally complicated and require lots of experiments to fully figure out, and it usually isn't obvious just by inspection why one metal is a good catalyst and another isn't - and it usually doesn't come down to "this is +2 and this is +1". You may consider searching the literature to better understand how copper catalyzes this reaction; then maybe you can say something about why Ag is less effective. This is generally the best approach to completing a laboratory write-up, just like science in the real world.
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Thank you for the reply.

I found the rate.
No catalyst: 105.59 s , rate 0.00947 s-1

AgNO3 57.94 s, 0.0173 s-1

CuSO4 10.83 s, 0.0923 s-1

FeCl3 55.35s, 0.0181s-1

I used one drop of catalyst(0.01M) for each trial of 10ml Sodium Thiosulfate (0.1M) + 10ml Iron3Nitrate reaction(0.1M).

Using Fe(III) catalyst definitely was not a good idea and the problem is, I cannot do anymore experiments and can only write my paper based on what I have now at this point... 

I'm wondering if there is any factor between the three catalysts that I could compare and why they might result in the values I got.
I don't really mind the data I got and whether it worked or not anymore, but I want to understand what and why everything is happening...
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To be honest I have no idea what you mean. Temperatures can't be equal if one end is heated and the other cooled.

Experiment time is not defined, but you should take measurements till the system gets to thermal equilibrium - that is, consecutive temperature measurements produce identical results.
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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Bromination
« Last post by Hunter2 on Today at 02:59:28 AM »
Better FeBr3 as catalyst in this case. Risk to get also Chloro Derivate if FeCl3 is used.
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Organic Chemistry Forum / Re: Bromination
« Last post by rolnor on Today at 01:44:49 AM »

I think its straightforward to di-brominate benzoic acid, the dibromo acid is available on many vendors. You might need FeCl3 as catalyst.
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Searleā€™s bar experiment measures thermal conductivity by comparing temperature differences near the heat source and at the ends. However, since the temperatures at the unheated end/heated end often equalize at the beginning/end, the experiment may seem to take an indefinite time to yield results because you can't divide by zero, and I know for a fact that fraction can't be zero so often.



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